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ghelleks [8:59:06 PM]: WASHINGTON (AP) House ethics committee criticizes House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for improperly trying to influence a member's vote on a Medicare bill.
nathanhgoldstein [9:01:04 PM]: HB is using ron reagan like a $2 ho. every question is about his dad. "can we ask you to put yrself in your dad's shoes.."
ghelleks [9:01:26 PM]: i don't know what this "prize fight" shit is all about.
ghelleks [9:01:33 PM]: it's not like it's fucking Thunderdome.
nathanhgoldstein [9:01:55 PM]: jim lehrer's eyes are spoooooky
nathanhgoldstein [9:03:32 PM]: good lean-ver by JK
nathanhgoldstein [9:03:40 PM]: lean over. jeez i can't do this
ghelleks [9:03:55 PM]: i can't wait to see Lehrer give someone the smackdown. he's got lasers in his eyes
nathanhgoldstein [9:04:16 PM]: brown chipmunk lasers
ghelleks [9:04:29 PM]: pluck
nathanhgoldstein [9:04:38 PM]: did kerry have a stroke?
nathanhgoldstein [9:04:44 PM]: his face is crooked
nathanhgoldstein [9:05:19 PM]: look at the damn camera, JK
ghelleks [9:05:55 PM]: careful, splitting iraq and terror.
nathanhgoldstein [9:06:04 PM]: wrapped up fast
nathanhgoldstein [9:06:12 PM]: little shoulders on the prez
ghelleks [9:06:27 PM]: Luntz: "9-11 changed everything"
nathanhgoldstein [9:06:32 PM]: oh my fucking god. he didn't go 10 seconds without talking about 9/11
nathanhgoldstein [9:06:44 PM]: claimed indirectly that Al Q is hiding in Iraq
ghelleks [9:07:16 PM]: except in iran
nathanhgoldstein [9:07:41 PM]: don';t get hung up on letters. N, Q, whatever
ghelleks [9:08:13 PM]: he knows how to lead all right.
nathanhgoldstein [9:08:14 PM]: good moment for bush
nathanhgoldstein [9:08:22 PM]: really is. this is his strengthj
nathanhgoldstein [9:08:34 PM]: will you increase your font. i'm old
ghelleks [9:08:35 PM]: he's plain-talking
ghelleks [9:08:43 PM]: old man
ghelleks [9:08:57 PM]: never waver
nathanhgoldstein [9:08:57 PM]: russia? my brain just exploded
nathanhgoldstein [9:09:29 PM]: bush got animated first
ghelleks [9:09:39 PM]: of course
ghelleks [9:09:50 PM]: he made the insurgency foreign
nathanhgoldstein [9:09:57 PM]: they actually did beat us in Afghanistan, at least so far
nathanhgoldstein [9:10:14 PM]: JK, you don't "believe in being strong and resolute and determined". Those are personal qualities
nathanhgoldstein [9:11:10 PM]: the pool is busting out of the rules,. they just showed a reaction shot by bush... not allowed by the 36 page rule book
ghelleks [9:11:11 PM]: eye off the ball, damnit.
ghelleks [9:11:20 PM]: yeah, they didn't make Fox sign the memo.
ghelleks [9:11:27 PM]: and they're running the pool camera
nathanhgoldstein [9:11:28 PM]: stay on the ball line. good one... great finish by jk
ghelleks [9:12:19 PM]: the flip-flop reference was too oblique
nathanhgoldstein [9:12:27 PM]: JK needs to smile in next 4 min
nathanhgoldstein [9:12:33 PM]: right on F-F
nathanhgoldstein [9:12:40 PM]: 90%
ghelleks [9:13:03 PM]: NO MORE SUBORDINATE CLAUSES
nathanhgoldstein [9:13:10 PM]: the 200B # is a bad one. it's 120B in Iraq, the rest is Af etc
nathanhgoldstein [9:13:17 PM]: Opium? this is a great debate
nathanhgoldstein [9:13:22 PM]: too many facts
ghelleks [9:13:44 PM]: "it's not my fault"
nathanhgoldstein [9:13:49 PM]: Kerry looks at same intyel as the president
nathanhgoldstein [9:14:09 PM]: full on split screen. Fox is fucking with Jim Baker
ghelleks [9:14:45 PM]: heh
ghelleks [9:15:00 PM]: pre-sept. *10*?
ghelleks [9:15:10 PM]: that's luntz again
nathanhgoldstein [9:15:12 PM]: we're laughing about that here
nathanhgoldstein [9:15:30 PM]: WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING BOTH
ghelleks [9:15:41 PM]: someone please fucking mention Iran and North Korea, or I'm going to vomit with rage
nathanhgoldstein [9:15:58 PM]: Al Q is a people, a race
ghelleks [9:16:05 PM]: boy howdy.
nathanhgoldstein [9:16:08 PM]: Saddam, Bin Laden, whatever
ghelleks [9:16:11 PM]: they've both goofed that.
nathanhgoldstein [9:16:23 PM]: yeah but bush REALLY has them excused
nathanhgoldstein [9:16:27 PM]: confused. ha ha ha
ghelleks [9:16:31 PM]: "boy, this thing is really fucking complicated."
ghelleks [9:16:40 PM]: "i'm trying real hard."
nathanhgoldstein [9:17:03 PM]: prime minister allawi, whose speech my speechwriters wrote
ghelleks [9:17:23 PM]: spending reconstruction money, my ass.
nathanhgoldstein [9:17:50 PM]: Oooo I think tommy franks supports the prez
nathanhgoldstein [9:18:08 PM]: OHIO
ghelleks [9:18:12 PM]: i'm not sure it matters for the point he was making
nathanhgoldstein [9:18:18 PM]: THE NEW FLORIDA
ghelleks [9:18:20 PM]: great story
ghelleks [9:18:54 PM]: JK's getting comfortable
nathanhgoldstein [9:19:24 PM]: GWB is on the offensive. "Can I respond" .. his best moment. not what he says, but that he wants to mix it up
ghelleks [9:19:32 PM]: word.
ghelleks [9:20:05 PM]: Bush is just COOLIN'
nathanhgoldstein [9:20:11 PM]: GWB knows over 200 human signs
nathanhgoldstein [9:20:43 PM]: "apple", "eat", "hungry", "baseball" are only a few
nathanhgoldstein [9:20:49 PM]: nickle?
nathanhgoldstein [9:21:28 PM]: first ackonwledgement of audience by JK. smart
nathanhgoldstein [9:22:10 PM]: dumb
ghelleks [9:22:11 PM]: fucki
ghelleks [9:22:20 PM]: first campaign promise?
ghelleks [9:22:37 PM]: aw, shucks.
nathanhgoldstein [9:22:58 PM]: tripled the amount of homeland security, whch you apposed, since BE+FORE THERE WAS A NEED FOR IT?
nathanhgoldstein [9:23:03 PM]: Opposed
ghelleks [9:23:37 PM]: "I'm firing the CIA's ASS."
nathanhgoldstein [9:23:41 PM]: i haven't heard bush's stump speech in its entirety, but I don't get the sense that he's reciting it
ghelleks [9:23:51 PM]: I agree.
ghelleks [9:24:03 PM]: this is turning into a nice tennis match.
nathanhgoldstein [9:24:20 PM]: good line
nathanhgoldstein [9:24:24 PM]: of course?
ghelleks [9:24:42 PM]: (when I'm in Washington)
ghelleks [9:24:45 PM]: whoops
nathanhgoldstein [9:24:52 PM]: shakin the fingee?
nathanhgoldstein [9:25:06 PM]: paul points out how defensive GWB is
nathanhgoldstein [9:25:09 PM]: good questions
ghelleks [9:25:15 PM]: yeah
ghelleks [9:25:19 PM]: good questions
ghelleks [9:26:00 PM]: bush is using ridicule and aloofness as a counterargument, actually.
ghelleks [9:26:08 PM]: he's not actually providing any counterpoint
ghelleks [9:26:17 PM]: nothing based on fact, anyway
ghelleks [9:26:43 PM]: still hasn't answered
nathanhgoldstein [9:26:43 PM]: 100,000 iraqi cops?
ghelleks [9:26:54 PM]: again with that
nathanhgoldstein [9:26:55 PM]: hasn't meant shit to iran, actually. o
nathanhgoldstein [9:27:42 PM]: Well *I* met someone who said...
nathanhgoldstein [9:27:50 PM]: OOOOOO Kerryu berought up his dad!!!!!
ghelleks [9:27:52 PM]: friend just SMS'd: When Bush talks about terrorists, it's like he's talking about aliens.
nathanhgoldstein [9:28:35 PM]: this bringing up GB's dad could backfire. Piocture bush, with fire: "what do you know about my father?"
ghelleks [9:29:27 PM]: I changed my mind: Bush is actually pure attack, cornered-animal style.
nathanhgoldstein [9:29:30 PM]: good
ghelleks [9:29:31 PM]: RIGHT ON.
nathanhgoldstein [9:29:46 PM]: stay off vietman
nathanhgoldstein [9:30:10 PM]: great question
ghelleks [9:30:44 PM]: great answer
ghelleks [9:30:54 PM]: JK's not rambling yet
ghelleks [9:31:22 PM]: awesome
ghelleks [9:32:37 PM]: that was a strong body blow by JK
ghelleks [9:32:41 PM]: here I go with the fight metaphor
nathanhgoldstein [9:33:03 PM]: good bit by bush
nathanhgoldstein [9:33:48 PM]: colin powell, at minute 33
ghelleks [9:34:16 PM]: are you fucking kidding me?
nathanhgoldstein [9:34:18 PM]: right, we forgot poland.
ghelleks [9:34:29 PM]: Bush is getting pissed off, that's good.
ghelleks [9:34:55 PM]: great fucking question
nathanhgoldstein [9:35:25 PM]: raqpid victory... uihhhhhh... saddaM loyalists.... \uhhhh
nathanhgoldstein [9:35:39 PM]: it's hard work... 3rd time
ghelleks [9:36:20 PM]: "we won't achieve victory if we send mixed signals." that's the third time.
ghelleks [9:37:02 PM]: ^^^ -- it's a weak argument, too
nathanhgoldstein [9:38:05 PM]: tony blair, about whom i had a dream last night, at minute 37
ghelleks [9:38:35 PM]: finally, north korea
ghelleks [9:40:24 PM]: again, fresh start
nathanhgoldstein [9:40:43 PM]: i dont hink the last resoirt argumetnt is meaningful. we actuially did pretty much what we should have done with iraq. we just did it 5 yrs too early with other pressing priorites
nathanhgoldstein [9:40:53 PM]: JFK, minute 40
ghelleks [9:41:23 PM]: i'm a smart guy, and I'm confused by the bush response
ghelleks [9:41:53 PM]: Kerry looks bemused -- awesome
nathanhgoldstein [9:42:01 PM]: he blew an opening.
ghelleks [9:42:14 PM]: Bush is kind rambling now, no?
nathanhgoldstein [9:42:22 PM]: yes
ghelleks [9:43:10 PM]: Kerry feels like he's winning.
ghelleks [9:43:16 PM]: rather, looks like he feels like he's winning
nathanhgoldstein [9:43:25 PM]: bush is leaning in like he does in his stump speech. comfortasble now
nathanhgoldstein [9:43:50 PM]: "every life matters" -ralph reed
nathanhgoldstein [9:44:10 PM]: NC? at least pick a vet in Ohio, matt dowd
ghelleks [9:45:26 PM]: Great story. Bush, though, hasn't made the case for why Iraq was more important than the other "aid-and-comfort" states.
ghelleks [9:45:43 PM]: huh. he said doodie.
nathanhgoldstein [9:45:48 PM]: sally and PJ
nathanhgoldstein [9:46:10 PM]: kerry is improvising now.
nathanhgoldstein [9:46:27 PM]: excellent. not confuse the "war " with the "warriors"
ghelleks [9:46:30 PM]: he could do this response in his sleep
nathanhgoldstein [9:46:37 PM]: i dont know why i used quotes'
nathanhgoldstein [9:46:49 PM]: or apostrophe's's's's's
nathanhgoldstein [9:47:03 PM]: WEBSITE!
nathanhgoldstein [9:47:27 PM]: hunt and kill
nathanhgoldstein [9:48:22 PM]: he's exposing the conversations he has with dan bartg and karl. "if I say to them the worng war at the worng t=iem... they'lll .. I forgot the rest
ghelleks [9:51:10 PM]: JK's conversational moments work really well
nathanhgoldstein [9:51:15 PM]: he's not going after hiim for the fuzzy numbers
ghelleks [9:52:24 PM]: Bush's overall message reminds me of "America, love it or leave it."
ghelleks [9:54:17 PM]: Bush still hasn't made the Iraq-AlQ case.
nathanhgoldstein [9:54:57 PM]: it's am azing we're even ttalking about saddam
nathanhgoldstein [9:56:07 PM]: Ho! who's on my wavelenght
ghelleks [9:56:39 PM]: best response yet
ghelleks [9:58:06 PM]: kerry's still rocking this question. he just 0wnz it.
nathanhgoldstein [9:58:34 PM]: stand up triple for kerry on that retort'
nathanhgoldstein [10:00:02 PM]: balls again
ghelleks [10:00:15 PM]: i love balls
nathanhgoldstein [10:00:28 PM]: I love keeping my eyes on them
nathanhgoldstein [10:00:50 PM]: bush is about at his physical limit, I think. he could fall apart fast here'
ghelleks [10:00:56 PM]: yeah
nathanhgoldstein [10:01:19 PM]: no one, including bush, knows where the hague is
ghelleks [10:01:27 PM]: "half the things in his head are vulgar, and the rest obscene"
nathanhgoldstein [10:01:51 PM]: reads like a morrissey lyric
ghelleks [10:02:04 PM]: that's my girl.
ghelleks [10:02:57 PM]: he can't say penninsula
ghelleks [10:03:24 PM]: dead air
ghelleks [10:03:53 PM]: honestly, I lost track of what he's talking about
nathanhgoldstein [10:04:03 PM]: Moolah?
nathanhgoldstein [10:04:06 PM]: Paul
nathanhgoldstein [10:04:22 PM]: Paul: "cash money, baby"
ghelleks [10:05:01 PM]: nb: iraq's missle are 1/2 as good as iran's. any numbers on NK missiles?
nathanhgoldstein [10:05:20 PM]: at least 1, that can hit guam
nathanhgoldstein [10:06:05 PM]: both? fuck
nathanhgoldstein [10:06:36 PM]: this is the time to say "my positions don't fiot into soundbites..."
nathanhgoldstein [10:06:46 PM]: good responses by bush. really.
ghelleks [10:07:21 PM]: yes
ghelleks [10:07:27 PM]: and a fucking monster question
nathanhgoldstein [10:07:45 PM]: the candidtaes should take over. darfur is good photo, but not centrak
nathanhgoldstein [10:07:49 PM]: central.
nathanhgoldstein [10:08:18 PM]: they want to fight on terror. lehere made an editorial mistake by pulling them off topic to talk about sudfan
ghelleks [10:09:37 PM]: no, it's an instance of a decades-old problem, which is still tied: failed states, ethnic cleansing, etc. with bush's new doctrine, would he stabilize Sudan to prevent terrorism?
ghelleks [10:11:55 PM]: fuck
nathanhgoldstein [10:12:13 PM]: kerry mae a mistake to not explain WHY we should care aboutdarfur
nathanhgoldstein [10:12:31 PM]: this hsould be the 16th time b brought this up.. iit's the 3rd.
nathanhgoldstein [10:12:50 PM]: I JUST KNOW HOW THIS WORLD WORKS
nathanhgoldstein [10:13:34 PM]: JK should call him by first name
ghelleks [10:13:55 PM]: hah, Kerry checked off "appreciate wife"
nathanhgoldstein [10:14:25 PM]: I just rewinding to get the daughter comment agiain, so I'm 20 sec behind
nathanhgoldstein [10:15:26 PM]: i am a caveman on im
ghelleks [10:15:34 PM]: (meg sez: finally saw wet hot american summer, and it CHANGED MY LIFE)
nathanhgoldstein [10:15:39 PM]: "the truth of the science"
nathanhgoldstein [10:16:01 PM]: bush is unstoppable on this point
nathanhgoldstein [10:18:33 PM]: i love the nuke down
nathanhgoldstein [10:18:40 PM]: nuke TALK nuke TALK
nathanhgoldstein [10:19:01 PM]: kennedy again? minute 78.
ghelleks [10:19:30 PM]: bush is foundering
nathanhgoldstein [10:19:58 PM]: i thought it was a good.. wait. he just said "transshipmewnt".!!!!
nathanhgoldstein [10:20:05 PM]: trans-shipment
nathanhgoldstein [10:20:22 PM]: robust.
ghelleks [10:20:32 PM]: i like the lehrer summaries
nathanhgoldstein [10:20:35 PM]: they teach you that in hahvid biz school
nathanhgoldstein [10:21:50 PM]: `china, our allies
nathanhgoldstein [10:22:21 PM]: great question!! puytion
ghelleks [10:23:14 PM]: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004/09/mexed-missages.html
ghelleks [10:23:42 PM]: putin doesn't need reminding about democracy, he's up to his ass in it
nathanhgoldstein [10:24:07 PM]: he used huis first name: vladimir'
nathanhgoldstein [10:24:43 PM]: bob smith, NH, now a purple state
nathanhgoldstein [10:25:14 PM]: george will?
ghelleks [10:25:40 PM]: doesn't understand truth?
ghelleks [10:25:51 PM]: what?
nathanhgoldstein [10:25:52 PM]: that was HOT
ghelleks [10:26:35 PM]: smokin'
nathanhgoldstein [10:26:47 PM]: kerry is on top right now
ghelleks [10:26:51 PM]: totally
ghelleks [10:28:09 PM]: fresh start, new credibility
nathanhgoldstein [10:28:34 PM]: nailing this so far
nathanhgoldstein [10:29:45 PM]: no draftf, according to bush
ghelleks [10:29:53 PM]: bush is pronoucning nuclear correctly, btw.
nathanhgoldstein [10:30:04 PM]: thanks, karen
ghelleks [10:30:15 PM]: har
ghelleks [10:30:34 PM]: fast, strong, resolute: like a sack of hammers